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dr. send
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willko
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 6, 2006, 12:02

Actually, Trent, the main purpose of my post was to antagonize Colin (because I hate him - no offense Colin, you’re my boy), so I just wrote whatever came into my mind at the time. I’ve been writing about dense theory for the past three months and I need a chance to unwind by formulating stupid arguments that about dumb topics. And isn’t that what we all come here for?

Colin’s right about the pallet companies; a lot of warehouses pay deposits on the pallets while they use them, but they don’t actually own them. Of course, a lot of warehouses have big stacks of broken or unusable pallets that they got for free sitting out by the dumpsters, and they can’t afford to send them off to some recycling plant because they’re a small business and Bed Bath and Beyond hasn’t paid them for their last shipment yet. Jerks.  Considering that most of those pallets are probably going to end up in the landfill, burning them probably wouldn’t be so morally reprehensible. But can any Joe Dirtbag walking down the street know that this is the case? Of course not. Theft is theft, burning hurts Mother Earth, people are inherently evil, etc. Use your head.

trent
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Trent
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 6, 2006, 15:07

…and Will, your argument about ‘environmental capital’ is certainly less clear than your usual postings, and blatantly incorrect on several points (unless the entire posting is sarcastic, and I’m missing it).  Your ‘posting quality’ is slipping.  Are those rhetorical questions?  Are you asking them to stimulate thought?  Or are you defending the status-quo approach to environmental pollicy, which clearly isn’t working?

To answer one of your questions, there are several interesting cases that suggest that archaic technology does in fact lead to environmental stability (by reducing waste, increasing employment, and reducing the use of toxic materials in agricultural and manufacturing settings), but that’s a whole different posting.

So, how’s the Squamish weather?  Has anyone actually been out there in a month?  And has anyone sent my ’secret’ project by Wendy’s?

Trent.

 

colind
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colind
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 6, 2006, 17:03

Nice points trent, a couple more are: Most big stores belong to pallet pools and pay large fees in excess of ,000 per anum to belong, the pallets in fact do not belong to the store that you steal them from but to the pallet company. Pallet companies, according to the USDA, are very responsible with over 80% of all pallets being recycled. Pallets that are too badly damaged to be repaired and reused or simply reused are generally de-nailed,ground up and and sold to an osb mill, further reducing the number of trees cut. Also 1 pallet approx. 1.2cu’ of wood can be used to ship 64cu’ of firewood.

trent
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Trent
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 6, 2006, 21:29

Well, now, I have to agree with Colin.  The burning of pallets as firewood is silly and destructive from a number of points of view.  I’m assuming, however, that these pallets were not purchased for the purpose of burning, but were rather stolen from their rightful owners.

Pallets are often made from a variety of hardwoods - and one would guess that these hardwoods are a variety of rainforest species as well as low grades of ’domestic’ hardwoods such as oak and birch.  While I find the idea of harvesting rainforests for the production of pallets more than a little odious, there was still substantial effort and cost put into the harvesting of the trees, the shipping of the wood, and the production of the pallets.  They are then used to ship products all over north america and beyond - the US, Canada, Vancouver (not really part of North America, at all, if you look at a map closely), and Mars.

People justify the stealing and burning of pallets because they delude themselves into believing that they (the pallets, not the people) are disposable (a similar ethical sleight-of-hand allows otherwise perfectly law-abiding citizens to steal milk crates from behind convenience stores, although the same people would never dream of walking into Zellers and stealing the same plastic crate on sale for .99).

But of course, the pallets (like the crates) are not disposable, or free.

So, from my perspective, if you want firewood to burn when you’re camping in a old gravel pit, fill your trunk before you leave home (although border crossings might be a pain), or go to a construction site and ask them if you can raid their scrap pile.  Try to refrain from the ‘I think that’ll burn’ mentality of scavenging every unattached piece of wood for miles around, regardless of who owns it.

And I hardly think that stealing pallets is a viable way to protest against the proliferation of multi-national monstrosities like Walmart.  Instead, pick up a placard, write some emails, join a citizen group, and don’t shop there. 

It’ll give you something to do on your rest days.

Trent.

sark astiq
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sark astiq
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 6, 2006, 23:55

Just go into Safeway and buy a latte at the in-store Starbucks, come out with a receipt in your hand, pick up three bundles of firewood, put them in your trunk and drive away. Sheesh.

harihari
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chris
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 7, 2006, 02:51

I killed and ate numberous hippies when I was in Asia.  They are clean and mostly organic food, giving a good high from residual THC, and, being not into violence, are relatively easy to hunt.  However, they make for better stewing than roasting, as there isn’t a whole lot of meat on their bones.  Their dogs, on the other hand, are often very well fed…but not by them.  ;-)

chris stolz

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9a
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9a
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 7, 2006, 03:43

Hey guys,

Is this pallet burning thing a “wet coast” tradition – like meth heads and hippies? Don’t seem to see as much of it out east.

Just asking.

sark astiq
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sark astiq
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 7, 2006, 07:45

no, cause the Grateful Dead, Phish and Dave Mathews Band were as yet unknown.

trent
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Trent
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 7, 2006, 08:47

Well that makes sense.  But what’s ‘dense theory’?  Are you referring to a specific theory called ‘dense theory’ (mmm… maybe dealing with positrons or somesuch), or just especially dense theory (like game theory). 

But no one answered my question about my secret project.  Since Squamish would be all abuzz with the news, I’ll take that as a NO.  Good.  Although I’m now so weak that I have no hope of doing it.

Trent.

dr. send
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willko
Post Re: Pallet burning
on: December 7, 2006, 12:03

Dense theory is in fact a type of critical theory that originated from the post-positivistic model of the semiotic poetics of the Prague School in the first three decades of the twentieth century.

As Judith Butler summarized in her article Further Reflections on the Conversations of Our Time, the move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

If you’re interested, sign up for English 466 at UBC, Dense Theory and the Twentieth Century Poetics of Post-Positivism.

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