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noahz

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Re: MEC pulls Nalgene bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 11, 2007, 10:47

Discussion Over - - -

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slopey

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MEC pulls Nalgene bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 11, 2007, 13:55

a big deal, some would say…

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071207.wcoop07/BNStory/National/

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flashman

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Re: MEC pulls Polycarbonate bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 11, 2007, 17:41

They can take my polycarbonate water bottle when they pry it out of my hormone-imbalanced - and oddly feminine - fingers.

sark astiq

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Re: MEC pulls Nalgene bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 11, 2007, 19:39

It’s not all Nalgenes - just all polycarbonate bottles. You can still buy the oldschool, soft white HDPE (polyethylene) Nalgene bottles.

slopey

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Re: MEC pulls Polycarbonate bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 11, 2007, 21:24

sorry Sark, i over-generalized.

i guess it was too soon to imagine having an actual, normal, insightful discussion on here ,eh Noah?

rock scaling = yes.

can_climber

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Re: MEC pulls Nalgene bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 12, 2007, 06:35

Other companies on the market have pulled baby bottles made of the same stuff as those nalgenes. Although they did it very quietly so as not to wake the baby.

noahz

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Re: MEC pulls Polycarbonate bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 12, 2007, 09:23

haha, yeh i guess so

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baba hari choss

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Re: MEC pulls Polycarbonate bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 13, 2007, 04:11

Seems to me MEC is jumping on a consumer awareness bandwagon and trying to spruce up the image for the holiday season.

From Nalgene’s website:

Q: Did Mountain Equipment Company (MEC) remove all Nalgene products from its stores?
A: No. MEC removed food and beverage containers constructed of polycarbonate. MEC will continue to carry a wide range of Nalgene hydration products made from other materials, including HDPE, LDPE, PP and PET.

Q: Did Health Canada render a decision that resulted in MEC’s actions?
A: No. Health Canada is expected to issue preliminary results of its BPA analysis in May, with their final report due in 2009. We’re confident that when Health Canada completes its work, they will agree with all the important government agencies worldwide that have concluded that polycarbonate water bottles pose no health risk to humans.

Q: Have other retailers pulled polycarbonate food and beverage containers?
A: No.

Q. Are polycarbonate bottles safe?
A: Yes. Agencies and researchers worldwide have studied the safety of BPA and polycarbonate for approximately 50 years; including The Environmental Protection Agency and The Food and Drug Administration in the USA, The European Commission Scientific Committee on Food, The German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment and the Japan Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare. Findings of studies from these agencies indicate that food and beverage containers manufactured from polycarbonate do not pose a health risk to humans. As a result, polycarbonate is used in a wide variety of consumer products including baby bottles, water bottles, dental sealants and the lining of most food & beverage containers.

Furthermore, several scientific panels including the European Union’s Scientific Committee on Food, the National Toxicology Program and the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis have concluded that the weight of scientific evidence does not support the hypothesis that low doses of BPA adversely affects human health. None of the large studies conducted have substantiated the claims made by those performing some of the smaller studies frequently cited.

Q: Where can I find reliable information on polycarbonate and BPA?
A: Consumers can visit the following web sites for more information:

* European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) study - http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/press_room/press_release/pr_bpa.html
* American Chemistry Council - http://www.bisphenol-a.org
* Environmental Protection Agency - http://www.epa.gov/endocrine/about.html
* American Council on Science and Health - http://www.acsh.org/search/home_result.asp
* Nalgene - http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/technical/bpainfo.html

jdl

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Re: MEC pulls Nalgene bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 13, 2007, 13:47

BPA - one of the many chemicals linked to cancer - not to be silly, but as Joe Jackson said everthing gives you cancer… On a serious note - this may be a strange thing for the Gripped BB, but what the heck - here goes; BPA has been linked to cause cancer - however, the amounts to be ‘effective’ are, from thegreenguide.com ‘Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and the plastics industry website, Bisphenol-A.org, says the chemical is completely safe unless you ingest 1,300 pounds of canned and bottled food daily’. This sounds somewhat similar to Aspartame - which many people ingest many times a day, especially those on the fast food diet.
Did MEC go too far? They may have jumped the hoop on this one, but the real one’s effected will be Nalgene and the reps. MEC has a policy on being green but they do sell products that may have more ill-effects than the Nalgene #7’s. They seem to show that they are serious about being responsible to it’s membership and I would agree that they are striving for this. Yet, they continue to copy and sell products at a lesser price than the OEM product right next to it. As a member I appreciate the low margin on products, but have respect for the OEM products over MEC ‘knock-offs’. The OEMs are committed to R&D - yes their products are more money, they cost more because of the R&D and fit. Just so you know, i do own MEC products, they have really darn good long underwear.
As well, we should realize that MEC has the majority of it’s products made overseas in areas where labour is ‘cheap’ - they are truly no different than Wal-Mart. At least Wal-Mart acknowledges it’s after the real GREEN ($). And if you are really after ‘going-green’ and/or respect for the environment, then you should not have to advertise this - it should be implied and expected. Live your life the way you want for you, not for what others would. MEC as a company should do the same - but damn this is amazing Marketing/PR for MEC. Companies exist to make money so they stay alive (so to speak). MEC thinks that if it breathes green it will be seen as something besides what it is, a 0+ million a year company that provides excellent lifestyle for it’s workers and knock-off products for it’s membership. It’s goal is to make money, otherwise it would have died off many years ago. Without MEC many of us climbers would be without gear - it’s almost impossible to make money off climbing gear - MEC brings in the best selection I have seen in North America and good pricing - they can afford to not make money on gear, because they can make millions off other outdoor products. Many small retaillers can’t afford this gear selection.
For more respect, they could have just done what they wanted without letting the nation know - this would be more inline with what their board is striving for. Now many un-informed people will look at Nalgene as an evil company who is trying to give cancer to the public so the health-care system can make billions off … Maybe it’s Al-Kaeda, or Iran - then George W. can go blow them up …

the vsion

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Re: MEC pulls Nalgene bottles from all stores - discuss
on: December 15, 2007, 19:14

Here is some awnser about the BPA properties for you! Read trough and make your own conclusion.

PROPERTIES, THREATS, AND ANALYSIS METHODS OF BISPHENOL A AND ITS …

My understanding is: if Bisphenol A is water-soluble at room temperature (300 mg/l at room temperature), could you imagine what it could be when we store boiling water like all us do in the winter.

JDL, you are rigth! We have to have better definition of green.

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