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sark astiq
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sark astiq
Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 1, 2008, 04:05

If your parents are funding your education to the tune of K a year, the overlap between your life and the real world of student loans, Kraft dinner, summer jobs and smelly roommates is probably minimal.

sark astiq
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Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 2, 2008, 11:11

How far did you get with post-secondary education Trad?
Did you take a year of basket weaving at a community college before deciding to pursue bagging grceries fulltime?

sark astiq
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Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 2, 2008, 16:04

I dunno man. Look at Shep Steiner. Not only is he a 5.13-sending Rockies ubermensch, he’s a tenured art critic.

I just don’t think Quest is going to be putting out students of that calibre.

harihari
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chris
Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 2, 2008, 17:06

I read a study once about U.S. education and they looked at what business schools did for students’ incomes.  Basically they ranked schools from most to least quality, prestige, cost etc (e.g. Stanford, Kellogg at top of list, U of Mississippi or whatever at bottom) and tried to see if the quality of school affected graduates’ incomes.

WHat they found was that, in the short term, the better schools provided a significant advantage.  However, after 5 years in the real world, the schools made zero difference in graduates’ incomes.  IE as many people from Stanford were making ,000,000 a year after 5 years as were u. Miss. grads.  Why?  because– at least in business– it is results, not credentials, that count.  So rich people try to go to better schools because (a) they can afford it and (b) there is short-term payoff in form of higher wages.

 

chris stolz

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trad
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Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 2, 2008, 17:07

Sark Astiq wrote:How far did you get with post-secondary education Trad?
Did you take a year of basket weaving at a community college before deciding to pursue bagging grceries fulltime?

Sark what the F uck are you yapping about now????? What point do you think you are making?
You are such a nasty little minded dick head.

I bet you spent years of your life in a University just to post on Gripped and make nasty little comments to people. Learn to spell at least with your degree alright. Goes to show you how much you learned in all those years EH.

Rich people are the only ones who go to University these days. They all cost huge. Many go for years and years at a cost to society and never pay back loans.

Sark I would love to have a job where all I had to do was
BAG GROCERIES ALL DAY I would sleep better every night!

trad
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trad
Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 2, 2008, 17:20

Why do you all care so much about it in a negative way its a under-graduate school. What harm can it do? I think it would better prepare you for a graduate degree. How is that a bad thing?

trad
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trad
Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 2, 2008, 17:54

Sark Astiq wrote:Look at Shep Steiner. Not only is he a 5.13-sending Rockies ubermensch, he’s a tenured art critic.

Ok so what is your point? I am still unclear of what point you think you have made? Is he not a PHD who lectures to people who attend UBC and several other Unis all over the world?

Is his way of thinking in the same old way? I bet he feels without a Phd you are nothing and have no idea what is going on around you because you did not spend most of your life in a University.

All I am saying is I feel we need to have a better system and the old school of thought is just that old. The old school of thought holds back society and people. And it protects those who went to a University even if they are useless to society.

trad
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trad
Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 2, 2008, 22:16

Sark Astiq wrote:the overlap between your life and the real world of student loans, Kraft dinner, summer jobs and smelly roommates is probably minimal.

The problem is most studnets in any big University are already funded by Mom and Dad. Every Quest student in the first year was funded in some way or another.

Thats why you do not fail in University.
Do you know of anybody who has failed out of University.

Read the April issue of Walrus magazine.

trad
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trad
Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 3, 2008, 00:03

Gdm wrote:
So, I take offense when you put out a blanket statement saying that the old school of thought holds back society and people. I’ve put in a lot of hard work over the years to do exactly the opposite.

I understand how you must feel about my comments. However. The old school of thought does hold back society. I am constantly around PHD types and how they operate. I see first hand how under-grads are treated less then the PHD dudes and how some of the experts are not even in the same ball field as the under-grads. They seem to be clouded by the PHD on the door instead of listening to what the research has to say. It seems to take forever to get anything done as they always have a long drawn out process for everything. Why? I see this daily. No offence to you but in the field you work in could you have gone about it a different way and still have the knowledge you have?????

Remember… it takes all types… and I would hope you wouldn’t judge me in a negative light because I have a PhD, as I wouldn’t judge anyone if they didn’t. Albert Einstein didn’t and look what he accomplished!

The problem I have is that without the PHD many doors are closed and with the PHD too many doors are wide open even if they are completley off the wall. Society waste so much money and time. It could all go to a better education system.

As for Albert today he would not be given a chance and the world would not know what he was capable of doing. So what is your point? That is why I feel the system needs to change and how we look at learning needs to change nnow for society to truly benefit from its population.

Cheers

gdm
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Greg
Post Re: University in Squamish?
on: July 3, 2008, 06:47

Trad,

I think you’ve made some interesting points, but I sense a lot of hostility to those who have dedicated a substantial part of their life to graduate studies.  It needs to be mentioned that Universities have a dual capacity… the dissemination of knowledge, which I will agree is not at the forefront of most universities these days, and the generation of knowledge, which is emphasized in the business model that most large research intensive universities use.  I’ll also add this, there have been numerous recent hires (tenure track positions) at UBC in the School of Human Kinetics and in the Faculty of Education that are strictly teaching based (maybe taking a cue from smaller colleges and liberal arts schools) to put more value on the dissemination of knowledge.  So, in that environment I would hope that students benefit from both the teaching and the cutting edge research that is happening in their departments.

I, like many others, enjoy being involved in the pursuit of knowledge and in my field (health & wellness- I have a PhD in exercise physiology from the Canadian Centre of Activity and Aging at the University of Western Ontario) it seems the best way to accomplish this is through academia.  Government support is easier (this is a relative term) to obtain through academia.  While I haven’t cured cancer, I can guarantee that I’ve influenced many older adults to lead longer, healthier lives and improved their quality of life in addition to doing some basic science research that may some day have an impact on older adults ability to do activities of daily living (a huge impact on society) via exercise or drug interventions.

So, I take offense when you put out a blanket statement saying that the old school of thought holds back society and people.  I’ve put in a lot of hard work over the years to do exactly the opposite.

Remember… it takes all types… and I would hope you wouldn’t judge me in a negative light because I have a PhD, as I wouldn’t judge anyone if they didn’t.  Albert Einstein didn’t and look what he accomplished!

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