I don’t know where you folks are coming from with the attitude of entitlement…  At the moment, BC Parks has been very loose with any restrictions it has imposed on climbers climbing on the chief.  Maybe it is the cowboy, anything goes mentality of BC.  That same attitude is why there is that ugly travesty of a clear cut at the Malamute (them trees are on my land so I’m gonna cut ‘em all down and to hell with Squamish and anyone else). 
I would think that Squamish climbers, if they hope to gain respect within the greater community, would respect their natural environment that they climb in and this includes Peregrine Falcons with whom they share the cliff with.  Two months out of the year is not a long time to give falcons a bit of space to nest.  Last time I checked there is still plenty of climbing opportunities outside of those few climbs affected by closures.

While it may be excusable if someone new to the area made a mistake such as climbing on a closed route, for a local climber to do it is just plain ignorant.  That ignorance reflects on the community as a whole - hence the backlash.  Stone Mason made a stupid mistake, and some people called him on it.  Instead of a ’sorry - my bad’, it turned into ‘where were you guys to hold my hand’?, or ‘ why don’t you make up some signs for me to follow’ and ‘how come I have to think for myself’?

Bottom line is - don’t try to deflect the blame for you mistakes and ignorance, own up and get informed so it doesn’t happen again.  Happy climbing.

mr vagina has a very creative mind and creative ideas…

HAHA good one.

Okay since no one could answer me this, let me inform at least some of you.

The Peregrine Falcon was pushed to the brink of extinction from the use of the pesticide DDT. DDT over its lengthy use eventually softened the shells of this species , preventing it from healthy offspring. So no, I have not been responsible for this birds present fate.

This is why it is so easy to crack the shells with one hand to make my now famous omelet….

Anyway, new research has suggested ‘apparently’ this dated research may have been ‘flawed’ and that the benefits of using DDT out way the risks due to new viruses such as west Nile and so on. This research suggested that DDT be used again as an effective insecticide from such mosquito born diseases, namely malaria.

I think those in agriculture, forestry, gov’t/health and landscaping etc. - will have far greater impact on the real fate of this awesome bird.

Can someone please pick up where I leave off? Are we really going to start spraying the world with DDT again?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT

trad daddy wrote:I don’t know where you folks are coming from with the attitude of entitlement… At the moment, BC Parks has been very loose with any restrictions it has imposed on climbers climbing on the chief. Maybe it is the cowboy, anything goes mentality of BC. That same attitude is why there is that ugly travesty of a clear cut at the Malamute (them trees are on my land so I’m gonna cut ‘em all down and to hell with Squamish and anyone else).

Trad daddy, who is thinking of entitlement??? Who ever said it was a all for oneself and piss off to everybody?? And in the best interest of Squamish I am glad he cut them down now with all the other damage being done around that area. looks way better in the future and it would have been done anyhow.

I would think that Squamish climbers, if they hope to gain respect within the greater community, would respect their natural environment that they climb in and this includes Peregrine Falcons with whom they share the cliff with. Two months out of the year is not a long time to give falcons a bit of space to nest. Last time I checked there is still plenty of climbing opportunities outside of those few climbs affected by closures.

Trad Daddy I believe all would share if they knew where and when. What is wrong with a sign put up in the area they are at every year?? Why is the idea of proper signage entitlement?? The guy should not have climbed in that area by all rights agreed. But to pretend to be so holly and return comments in a I know so you should does no good. BC Parks and everybody who pretends to be concerned should get off the couch and build a couple of signs and place them in the needed areas. And be more active towards something they believe in.

Is that to much to ask, for such a wonderfull bird in need of help???

While it may be excusable if someone new to the area made a mistake such as climbing on a closed route, for a local climber to do it is just plain ignorant. That ignorance reflects on the community as a whole - hence the backlash. Stone Mason made a stupid mistake, and some people called him on it. Instead of a ’sorry - my bad’, it turned into ‘where were you guys to hold my hand’?, or ‘ why don’t you make up some signs for me to follow’ and ‘how come I have to think for myself’?

Instead of a proper response to a problem he was treated like a native bald eagle killer. signage is not holding of hands but it explains a point. You do understand what you read in the guide book is kinda like signage just in a very lame way. Maybe that point is over your B.A. head.

Bottom line is - don’t try to deflect the blame for you mistakes and ignorance, own up and get informed so it doesn’t happen again. Happy climbing.

This trad Daddy is the point why not inform instead of comments like you said in the first couple of posts. And why not be more active and do something for the birds? It is clear something needs to be done.

Hey Trad,

No need to get your panties in a bunch - so I’ve got a B.A. and I know it all - what B.A. doesn’t?  I mean - I drank years off of my life in pursuit of that piece of paper - now that I have it, I intend to use it to its fullest by posting smack on this here BB…

I agree that signs posted at the base of the routes would be a good idea - I never suggested it wouldn’t be… 
Just seems kinda silly considering that the voluntary climbing closure on certain routes that are near to Peregrine Falcon nests has been honoured and respected for the past 1/4 century or so, without too much confusion or contention.  The fact that stone mason came on the board to discuss the ’send’ of Crap Crags during the peregrine flacon nesting closure speaks to the dude’s ignorance.  So folks busted his chops.  That’s all.  Back in the day most of the knowledge of climbing in Squamish was passed around by word of mouth from fellow climbers or the odd copy of a guidebook. Today’s Squamish climber has a multitude of of avenues that inform: from guidebooks, to climbing shops, to information kiosks in paved parking lots, 100 times as many climbers around and this crazy thing called the internet.  Folks even post the annual closures on the BB and the mag does so formally in the News section.  Basically you would have to intentionally ignore all these sources in order to walk around oblivious to the fact.  Judging by the amount of posting that the mason does, they are no stranger to the internet and this board.  Anyway, mason got called on it and he/she apologized.  Lesson learned.  No biggie. 

I can’t help but think though that had the stone mason had the illustrious B.A. credential attached to the end of their name, this tragedy could have been averted. Perhaps there is still hope - I think they are still accepting enrollment applications at Quest!  Think about how great that could be: awesome lunches at the caf, radical rock climbing possibilities between classes and a super duper, albeit expensive (perhaps making it more super?) piece of paper with the letters B.A. on it.  Super good - ya!?! 

I am getting a bit tired - being a ‘know it all’ is exhausting!
Did I mention that I am also the best?

Peace.

Trad Daddy B.A.