I climbed high once.  Garfield, 5.7, 1 pitch, about 35 meters.  It took 2 hours, and we made every single mistake (other than falling and dying) that you could possibly make when climbing with gear.  Rope drag, forgotten gear, dropped stuff, gear clusterf**ks, miscommunication…you name it, we screwed it up.  For me it reinforced Stone Mason’s point that those who are used to using weed (or whatever) are probably fine with it; the rest of us might as well shoot ourselves in the foot as climbing high.

As for those who use drugs to reduce fear (and then they get bragging rights)…the truth comes out in the wash.  And even if it doesn’t, how satisfying is it climbing when you are using mental aid, or knowing you used it but not admitting to it?  I guess there are a load of definitions about what makes a great climbing experience (partners, weather, position, how hard was it, conquering fear, yadda yadda) but I can’t imagine that overcoming some kind of difficulty isn’t one of them.

well as you know.. lots of people/climbers like to tell a story… so if you dont ‘numb’ yourself on a crazy route, you might not be able to do it.. instead they can go, hey i flashed that with 3 pieces only.

that might be one reason, im not for or against it. as i have never climbed high

DRUG: A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

I want my belayers behavior to change 2 pitches up a wall. That sounds like alot of fun. How about halfway into an alpine route?
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harihari wrote:I climbed high once. Garfield, 5.7, 1 pitch, about 35 meters. It took 2 hours, and we made every single mistake (other than falling and dying) that you could possibly make when climbing with gear. Rope drag, forgotten gear, dropped stuff, gear clusterf**ks, miscommunication…you name it, we screwed it up. For me it reinforced Stone Mason’s point that those who are used to using weed (or whatever) are probably fine with it; the rest of us might as well shoot ourselves in the foot as climbing high.

They say this is a reflection of how your mind is for real. This is how you act without your mind controling every aspect of your day to the second. They say how you behave on pot and certain other simular drugs is how your mind truly would behave in a very bad or out of control situation. Its true. They call it panic.

It is true many people cannot handle life without it being completley controled and when anything happens that should not they stand still and get burned instead of moving to the emerge doors or even looking for a safe way out they just lose it. Those same people lose it on a little weed or a beer or even fear. And you are right they should stay away from any outside stimuli that may impead a normal day. Like driving in rush hour traffic.

cbovard wrote:DRUG: A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

This is such old school of thought. What about climbing on asprin? or hay fever meds and so on. When they wrote that lame statment they thought haveing a rum and coke was not haveing a drug and coca-cola. We now know different.

And changes in behavior does not mean bad or disturbing. Reefer madness I tell ya. Them their blacks are gonna rape all our white woman. Devil weed. Good thing we have changed a little.