Trad– I am going to ignore everything you write, because it is gibberish (to me).  Perhaps somebody else can translate into regular English.

Alb– Yea, good question– Woudl I be OK with a high/tipsy belayer?  Alcohol– no.  Find another partner.  Weed– depends on how chronic the user is.  One guy I climb with uses it regularly and I can’t tell the difference between stoned and regular him, so no worries there (he is super safe under all circumstances).  On the other hand, a non-regular user will have big changes made to his/her brain when high, so I am not sure that (for me) the place to experience that is climbing.

Key word, ancient.

Trad, you’re making a fool of yourself with your gregariousness. If you’re trying to articulate how many human beings ultimately distract themselves from the existential nothingness of the world by restricting themselves with society and rules, then you have done it in an incredibly inefficient matter.
I guess you missubderstood what had been said for that reply I made!

You’re claim that drugs and alcohol reveal the true ‘you’ is a silly and primitive dualistic approach to the argument at hand.
Really are you sure? What I said was in the face of true danger that could not have been predicted but happened at a very fast rate such as a fire in a bar or falling and being injured! Again I am correct.

I would not normally be so inclined to talk this way, but your foolishness merits it. So please, relax.

I think you should relax and read what I said in retort.

At times, I over analyze the situation to the point where I think way too much about the fall and end up just being a big Nancy.

So maybe I am wrong but is that not what I am saying about not in control of your actions??? I mean come on.

Other times however, a project has been sent VERY soon after smoking up. Perhaps framing of attention changes?
Perhaps for some but others would never be able to over come fear and not be able to climb.

Or perhaps there is a decrease in higher order functioning.
In some, others never have this experience. They are in control of themselves all the time and reacte as they need to.

harihari wrote:JJ- this is another thing I am gonna consider in the writing process– reliability. My correspondence with others so far indicates that most people who regularly use drugs while climbing get a fairly predictable effect from them.
That is why they smoke pot alot as it has none of those brain drain effects on them.

harihari wrote: It is the infrequent users who generally have the oddest experiences.

And those who have those oddest experiences never ever pick up the habit as it gives them odd experiences like being out of control!

I just got back from a month long yage trip to find out that nothing has changed in this important discussion!

Sark– yoga itself is a drug; Bikram is a pimp, etc etc.  Hope you sent some hard asanas.